by sawtooth
youperguy wrote:
Lilly gets about 10 bonus cheese for her ability. She has the enchanted bow which often gives her a second attack meaning on average she gets to roll about 4.5 dice per turn. If we are facing roaches or rats at range give order goes to Lilly. She is by far the champion of cheese.
Lily does get a good amount of cheese for her ability, but I find I use it much more often than I do Nez's, so she can't accumulate it as easily (I pretty much use 'Aimed Shot' whenever I have cheese to spend). Also, the enchanted bow is great, but it's not Lily's starting equipment and so I don't think it's exactly a fair comparison.
youperguy wrote:
Filch gets lots of extra attacks with Energy Rush and gets a cheese for every kill. His bonus usually give him about 6 more cheese. He also has the rapier giving him 3 dice attack.
Filch can do well with cheese if he gets kills, but once again you're comparing him with advanced equipment. He doesn't start with the rapier, he starts with a plain dagger. When I've used him, I often have troubles landing a killing blow with him.
youperguy wrote:
Colin gets about 5 dice from his bonus. Is faster then Nez and gets 1 or 2 more attacks a chapter. Rolls three dice for defense with his shield.
I presume you mean 'cheese', not 'dice'. ;^) For me, this is another situation where his ability is so useful he can't accumulate cheese. I'm often using 'Give Order' to get more attacks in. Also, once again, you're giving him extra equipment. There is no 'Collin's Shield'.
youperguy wrote:
Maginos gets two cheese per attack so once mystic bolt starts rolling it is like he is rolling 6 dice as far as cheese goes which is better then Nez's 5. He also attacks from range so he gets a few more attacks then Nez.
Okay, Maginos doesn't get two cheese 'per attack'. Again maybe this is the luck of the dice talking, but I have plenty of attacks with Maginos that don't result in a cheese roll. Also, if I want to have more than two dice to attack with, I have to use one of his cheeses. Again, his ability is so useful that I'm using his cheese whenever he has it. I have had him accumulate a large amount before after a string of cheese rolls, but he definitely averages less than Nez for me.
youperguy wrote:
Tilda has the Hammer of Nandon which gives her 4 dice against the small minions. Her bonus is good for maybe 1 cheese a game. Her move allows her one or two more attacks then Nez, but give order can balance that.[/q[
Actually, Tilda has 'Tilda's Mace', not the 'Hammer of Nandon'. She has a hard time keeping up with Nez's output with basic equipment. Also, I usually give her 'First Aid', which means her cheese gets used regularly.
Thank you for giving some sense of validation to my rambling. I was starting to think i was some jerk who was playing the other classes wrong. In my experiences, with starting equipment, Nez rolls more cheese, gets more hits, gets captured less and doesn't need any upgrades through the entire first campaign, at least. Every other character needs a gear upgrade to even come close.
Lilly gets about 10 bonus cheese for her ability. She has the enchanted bow which often gives her a second attack meaning on average she gets to roll about 4.5 dice per turn. If we are facing roaches or rats at range give order goes to Lilly. She is by far the champion of cheese.
Lily does get a good amount of cheese for her ability, but I find I use it much more often than I do Nez's, so she can't accumulate it as easily (I pretty much use 'Aimed Shot' whenever I have cheese to spend). Also, the enchanted bow is great, but it's not Lily's starting equipment and so I don't think it's exactly a fair comparison.
youperguy wrote:
Filch gets lots of extra attacks with Energy Rush and gets a cheese for every kill. His bonus usually give him about 6 more cheese. He also has the rapier giving him 3 dice attack.
Filch can do well with cheese if he gets kills, but once again you're comparing him with advanced equipment. He doesn't start with the rapier, he starts with a plain dagger. When I've used him, I often have troubles landing a killing blow with him.
youperguy wrote:
Colin gets about 5 dice from his bonus. Is faster then Nez and gets 1 or 2 more attacks a chapter. Rolls three dice for defense with his shield.
I presume you mean 'cheese', not 'dice'. ;^) For me, this is another situation where his ability is so useful he can't accumulate cheese. I'm often using 'Give Order' to get more attacks in. Also, once again, you're giving him extra equipment. There is no 'Collin's Shield'.
youperguy wrote:
Maginos gets two cheese per attack so once mystic bolt starts rolling it is like he is rolling 6 dice as far as cheese goes which is better then Nez's 5. He also attacks from range so he gets a few more attacks then Nez.
Okay, Maginos doesn't get two cheese 'per attack'. Again maybe this is the luck of the dice talking, but I have plenty of attacks with Maginos that don't result in a cheese roll. Also, if I want to have more than two dice to attack with, I have to use one of his cheeses. Again, his ability is so useful that I'm using his cheese whenever he has it. I have had him accumulate a large amount before after a string of cheese rolls, but he definitely averages less than Nez for me.
youperguy wrote:
Tilda has the Hammer of Nandon which gives her 4 dice against the small minions. Her bonus is good for maybe 1 cheese a game. Her move allows her one or two more attacks then Nez, but give order can balance that.[/q[
Actually, Tilda has 'Tilda's Mace', not the 'Hammer of Nandon'. She has a hard time keeping up with Nez's output with basic equipment. Also, I usually give her 'First Aid', which means her cheese gets used regularly.
youperguy wrote:
Nez, usually swings for 5 once he gets going, but he has poor move so less attacks then the others. He does have two defense with his armor.
Nez starts with an easily-attainable 4 dice for attack and 1 for defense. The 'Battle Squeak' ability is very useful against large enemies, but I generally don't use it against more numerous smaller ones, so he can build cheese without much difficulty.
youperguy wrote:
In my mind the cheese gaining ability goes like this for us:
Lilly > Filch > Colin = Maginos > Nez = Tilda
Lilly is the clear champ, part of this is tactics. And part is luck for sure.
It seems to me pretty clear where our differing experience comes from. You seem to be operating in full campaign mode and have enhanced equipment as your operating base. I'm not really able to follow a campaign at the moment and so am usually working off of base equipment. Using base equipment, I still often find Nez having more cheese than the other mice on average. ;^)
Nez starts with an easily-attainable 4 dice for attack and 1 for defense. The 'Battle Squeak' ability is very useful against large enemies, but I generally don't use it against more numerous smaller ones, so he can build cheese without much difficulty.
youperguy wrote:
In my mind the cheese gaining ability goes like this for us:
Lilly > Filch > Colin = Maginos > Nez = Tilda
Lilly is the clear champ, part of this is tactics. And part is luck for sure.
It seems to me pretty clear where our differing experience comes from. You seem to be operating in full campaign mode and have enhanced equipment as your operating base. I'm not really able to follow a campaign at the moment and so am usually working off of base equipment. Using base equipment, I still often find Nez having more cheese than the other mice on average. ;^)
Thank you for giving some sense of validation to my rambling. I was starting to think i was some jerk who was playing the other classes wrong. In my experiences, with starting equipment, Nez rolls more cheese, gets more hits, gets captured less and doesn't need any upgrades through the entire first campaign, at least. Every other character needs a gear upgrade to even come close.
